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Car was once my only love, but now that I can afford one, I dont know what to choose with any design less than 10 years old....

I understand that politics runs the auto industry which gives us the cars we see on the road today, but as a designer, I can not bare to see design students being let in the wrong direction....

For example, the once almighty CCS, gives student a project that center around global energy and environmental crisis, yet still allows their instructor to inject gasoline into students veins to creats designs out of their balls, not brains. Take the Mitsubishi Synthesis project with the whole interior decked out with entertainment displays and gadgets while running on a electric power.. Does it really make sense for this topic? What about the Mazda concept, it has electric motor powered wheel to "free up interior space", while the whole rear end of the design is useless in terms of space packagingit has electric motor powered wheel to "free up interior space", while the whole rear end of the design is useless in terms of space packaging.....And the Lincoln, when are students gonna be stopped for making cars that cant make a turn?

I know some of you will argue that this is what "concept" is about, but unless your point of view can sync with your design theme or better existing designs, then it is a failed attempt and students needs to be put back on track by their instructors.

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I see and understand your point, but I only fear with the economies on the brink of a crash (at least it seems that way) Young designers might not be needed, thus all this false instruction wil be in vain.


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i hope they will need young designers when i get yalls age!!
 
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There's a lot of BS out there and I guess they just want students to pander to the ignorant masses?

I guess I'm not exactly sure what you're asking.


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I'm not exactly asking for anything, just stating a fact. Or, you can say I'm asking the students to think outside of their pants, and asking the instructors to do their job correctly. Otherwise they just create more "bad" designers onto the market.
 
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i guess youre not asking anything but Im thinking all that matters is the styling.
In my humble opinion, CCS, ACCD are styling schools.
The projects itself are hokey. I believe students at MIT/CalTECH are working on the issues you mention.
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I agree these schools are still "styling" oriented, and thats fine. If we look at these CCS projects as styling projects, then I wouldnt have any problems with them either. However, my concern is that the styling outcome does not fulfill project goal, thats when its frustrating to see students still standing beside their design thinking they did a fantastic job, when in reality, it' not. That's why I am critizing the instructors for not doing their job directing students on the right track.
 
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I think you're missing the bigger picture here.

School is where the students can do whatever the hell they want and have a good time doing it. Their unhinged creativity is what is supposed to eventually get them that job in the real world where they will no longer be able to run off the leash. This is why the schools let students to projects with more style than substance. Later in life, most of them won't have the opportunity to develop "only for concept" cars.

There are schools that put lots of emphasis on the feasability side, but that is a double edged sword. Once you start putting limitations on students, it becomes a lot more difficult to be creative and fresh.

My two cents is that the students are constantly looking at each others work and going back and forth getting inspiration from each other instead of being inspired by the industry itself. The industry is at a loss so they're looking to the students to show them where to go. They should be coming up with off the hook designs of their own to inspire students and help develop their creative abilities.
 
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School is where the students can do whatever the hell they want and have a good time doing it


agree 110%

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This is why the schools let students to projects with more style than substance.


ok, guess you lost my point. student themselves state a dirction for their design concept, yet makes a design that contredicts their direction. Please read my post word by word before making your point.

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There are schools that put lots of emphasis on the feasability side, but that is a double edged sword. Once you start putting limitations on students, it becomes a lot more difficult to be creative and fresh


All Im suggesting is that final design should be on the same track as its intended direction. Is that something you see not fitting for these students and instructors who directs them?

My intention for pointing out these faults in the education system is to help both students and school faculties to realize that the quality control of graduate students has decreased dramatically in the past 8-10 years. That's the MAIN reason these students are jobless when they graduate. It is important to be creative, no doubt about it, but designs would pack a lot more punch if it actually makes sense with it's intended direction. I'm sure design directors who goes to graduation shows have their eyes on students who not only has the gift of styling, but the brain to make it all come together.

just sketches dont get you jobs anymore FYI.
 
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There are schools that put lots of emphasis on the feasability side, but that is a double edged sword. Once you start putting limitations on students, it becomes a lot more difficult to be creative and fresh.


Check this:
http://www.carbodydesign.com/archive/2008/07/28-datsun-xlink-concept/

Or this:
http://cardesignnews.com/site/image/store1/item137984/

Or this:
http://cardesignnews.com/site/image/store1/item112708/

All of them are sexy AND feasible AND creative AND fresh cars. This guys probably won't have trouble in the business. You get it? There is no need for more spaceships or another Camry. Being a car designer is more than just that. Think about that.

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just sketches dont get you jobs anymore FYI


I totally agree. Eveybody can do good Photoshop, or worse?, Alias based sketches ... this is already the first limitation. Do you guys still know what a pencil is?

So brace yourself guys and do BOTH: sexy and feasible proposals. Wink
 
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