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hahahahaha, a drifting event? it would tip over at the first corner.

this concept may be efficienct, but stability does not appear to be its strong point.


AMDesign, if you are only relying on what is conventional to judge a design, think again. To change existing paradigm or to find new resign solution, you really have to think outside the box.

Yes, it may look unstable due to its height and narrow profile, but it's excusable because it is an electric vehicle. Its batteries are placed strategically to keep all the vehicle weight downward, making it extremely stable. I looked into Communter Vehicles' Tango project, which has served as the reference for my project as well. Here's an exerpt from a Tango review:

Our car is 39 inches wide, making it the narrowest car in the world, yet it has stability akin to a Porsche 911,” said Woodbury, who raced 911s for car dealership Beverly Hills Porsche Audi, where he once worked. The slender T600 doesn't look stable, but the weight of up to 25 batteries used to power two electric motors sitting four inches off the ground all but cement the tires to the road. (http://www.forbesautos.com/news/features/2006/tango_t600.html)

See, the reason why this concept is electric is because of its unique dimension and weight distribution that comes as a result.

Would this concept be exciting to drive? Yeah, with performance that compares to Tango's 0-60 in 4 flat and safety feature that includes roll-cage structure (also featured in appearance deceiving Tango T600)that protects drivers in crashes up to 200mph.


ok, well since you asked for it...
the person i replied to spoke for use in a "drifting event". judging by your response i can tell you know little of what is involved in drifting. i used to be on a competitive circuit for 2 years, so i know what a car built for this purpose needs. the things you mentioned are none of those. my reply was strictly in reference to this car's ability to compete in that sort of catagory of racing. yes, is may hold itself to the ground, but that is opposite of what drifting involves. it demands cars that can break traction in corners (and straights) while maintaining a stable balance throughout. using weight to hold the car down would immediately cause proplems(for this purpose. ive seen skylines look like they're going to tip over at high speed drifting, and you insinuate that this concept would not purely because of the weight. you're correct, it would not tip over, because in fact, it would not be able to drift in the first place. not that this is a bad thing by any means, but it is not the purpose of the vehicle.

on a second note, (and i've noticed this with other posts of yours)
you are very ready to come back at commentors with aspects of your design that are in NO way represented in you drawing, when they're only going off of what they see. (just as i was)
a prof. once told me that what you present as your design should speak for itself, whether you're there to talk about it or not. the viewers should be able to understand all aspects of what you're designing. so you say you have batteries weighting down the car, and you say the dimensions to weight distribution also helps this. well in your images you have not indicated either. im not saying drawing in battery packs, but a description box, callouts, cutaway view are all things that will help translate your purpose better. even just dimensioning and showing how the weight is distrubted accross the bottom would help. if these are points which you want to stress in your design, then why wouldn't you show, or at least explain them some how?

my comments were not to downplay your work. it seems to be a very interesting concept. but you, as a designer, need to show/explain the important aspects of your design. and certainly with this concept, the stability is a very important aspect.


I appreciate your explanation here. You are right in what you stated regarding the lack of visual explanation in the pic posted. Perhaps I was too naive to think that trans students and designers would understand my reference to the CV's Tango concept. Unfortunately, I'm not at the skill level to tell design narrative which you are speaking of at present but it'll be something I'll be working on.

But hey, my lengthy reponse to your post was a good exercise on my part. As a starting design student, I want to get comfortable about sharing my work with others, expose it to crits of all ranges, learn to articulate my ideas and defend them. So, please don't shy away from posting your reactions to what I post here. I will also return tha favor should I see any of your work on this board Big Grin


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We're off to a good start.
I also agree that good visual presentation should speak for itself w/ or w/o the designer's verbal justification.
I did suggest an alternative use of this supermini concept in a fun & recreational context (see. youtube fun material). If anything, fictional. I didn't think so far ahead as having a sanctioning body birthing a new "supermini for-one" drifting category.
In a mini cooper ad, they say the car will handle like a go-kart. Though I don't think a new mini will be used as one nor treated as one by it's user, but its fun to think of it as such. But what a challenge? As a senior colleague I think you'll be a great picker for us starters! thanks for treading the path! Cool
 
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i like ur render, especially the reflection of the wheels and etc. keep up at it! its got some nice concept behind it but i think car itself couldve improved on design. for your concept idea i guess it works but design itself isnt exactly my style, but thats just me so im not sayin its a bad design lol. anwyasy keep it up man ur puttin up some nice works Smile so have u been accpeted yet?
 
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i like ur render, especially the reflection of the wheels and etc. keep up at it! its got some nice concept behind it but i think car itself couldve improved on design. for your concept idea i guess it works but design itself isnt exactly my style, but thats just me so im not sayin its a bad design lol. anwyasy keep it up man ur puttin up some nice works Smile so have u been accpeted yet?


Yeah, I'll be starting this fall. So were you able to resolve the tuition hurdle?


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sweet man ill be looking foward to see you. yeah my parensts somehow gathered up the money and i was able to pay for it. but now im pretty much broke so life aint so pretty no more but watever gets me thru :P
 
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