I feel your pain man. I have no idea how I'm going to pay for my schooling either, but at least I'll have a job when I'm done if I work hard. At CCS there's far less of a chance for you to get a good paying job. They cut people ever year from the trans program and suggest that they do product. Also it's located in Detroit which is really ghetto and destitute, trust me. Also they both cost a lot of money, why not pay a little bit more for the better school. I sucked out of high school so I got cut the first year at CCS. In fact they take so many people the first year 100-200 that no one is in the trans department to start off. Trust me and go to Art Center if you can get in.
I have no idea how I'm going to pay for my schooling either, but at least I'll have a job when I'm done if I work hard. At CCS there's far less of a chance for you to get a good paying job. They cut people ever year from the trans program and suggest that they do product.
You're in for a world of surprise if you think it's gonna be any easier to go through art center's program and come out with a well-paying OEM job. btw, do you actually have any numbers to backup your claims? Because last I checked, two of our seniors already got OEM offers before going into senior year.
CCS Automotive Senior "Use no way as way, Have no limitation as limitation" - Bruce Lee "Take notes on the world, there will be a test" - Chris Bangle
mod, while i agree going to artcenter isnt an easier track, you cant compare the two schools simply because you dont attend both. everything youve said on these boards about ccs has been matched by accd. can you just leave it at that without confusing people. thanks.
Oh boy, here we go with the ACCD vs. CCS crap again.
Both schools have their strengths and weaknesses, and I've personally seen some awesome stuff coming out of both schools...as well as really horrible stuff.
I suggest the next time someone goes around asking for school advice, this individual needs to gather some info about the schools beforehand, or better yet - go visit the schools in person - and decide for themselves.
Both schools have their strengths and weaknesses, and I've personally seen some awesome stuff coming out of both schools...as well as really horrible stuff.
SE
That's exactly what I was trying to get across, no more, no less.
acheng,
Am I suddenly not allowed to politely express my opinion??
CCS Automotive Senior "Use no way as way, Have no limitation as limitation" - Bruce Lee "Take notes on the world, there will be a test" - Chris Bangle
OK PEOPLE!!! Like I said before if you're just starting out of high school or whatever and you have to pick between Art Center and CCS, pick Art Center. Most people can't get into Art Center right out of high school, therefore go with CCS. But if you have the chance to go to Art Center and turn it down because it's a few too many thousands more a year, you're making a mistake. I went to CCS and what they do is take a bunch of people who want to do trans the first year and take their $30grand then most of them are told they cannot continue in trans. until their junior year maybe. On the other hand, Art Center only takes a small amount of trans. prospective students a year. It's simple people to understand. If you don't get it you're probably too stupid to be a creative designer! Now of course both schools have turned out great designers, but look at some of the greats who have went to Art Center: Chris Bangle, Freeman Thomas, J. Mays, etc..... Finally, So Cal is so sick compared to Detroit. Trust me people, Detroit sucks, there's not even much goin on in the automotive industry anymore besides the NAIAS in January. We had no good lectures from any notable car designers in 04/05. Well, make up your mind. I hope this helps
I have no idea how I'm going to pay for my schooling either, but at least I'll have a job when I'm done if I work hard. At CCS there's far less of a chance for you to get a good paying job. They cut people ever year from the trans program and suggest that they do product.
You're in for a world of surprise if you think it's gonna be any easier to go through art center's program and come out with a well-paying OEM job. btw, do you actually have any numbers to backup your claims? Because last I checked, two of our seniors already got OEM offers before going into senior year.
Ok buddy, here's how it is. The reason CCS cuts back so much on the number of Transportation Design students is because there's only so many jobs a year. Get it! A kid outta highschool is more likely to get cut the first year if he doesn't already have good talent because there isn't enough jobs to go around at the end of the program. Art Center on the other hand takes less people to start with and makes less cuts. Therefore getting into Art Center is actually something remarkable while getting into CCS is expected. I'm not saying it's going to be easier at Art Center. I'm just in a way better position now. Also, I didn't see much connection with the industry world at CCS. I already see that at Art Center with just one visit. I mean when's the last time Chris Bangle lectured at CCS? Stop kidding yourself, Art Center has always been known as the best!
after visiting both i'd say both have their merits and detractors. personally ccs is a little bit more attractive for myself since they offer a masters in trans (like RCA) while art center does not, at this point another undergrad degree doesnt make sense for me.
to each their own, it's all about finding the right fit.
can you show me anything i've said that shows that I have a strong bias for ccs and against art center? If you look through my past posts, you'll see i've always maintained that both schools are equally good with different pros/cons. And i'm not trying to pull out stupid statistics, they're valid FACTS. I've asked if anyone can give detailed figures for art centers graduates before since I have said I don't know them myself! But no one offered any. So excuse me for speaking about what I actually know to be true. And speaking about how many people get job offers is not "bickering about stupid ****", it's a very valid concern. btw, I'm not taking any of this personally, just trying to offer any helpful info/advice.
cardesign85,
You sound very bitter when it comes to CCS simply because you didn't even make it through the first year. I definitely understand what you're trying to say about the high school kid scenario, but you have to look at it more logically. Since getting into art center is more remarkable, then wouldn't it make sense that that student is also good enough to make it into ccs trans? You seem like you didn't even know how the system worked before you got in, which is why it was probably so difficult for you. CCS doesn't even consider any freshman or sophomore as actual "transportation majors" until they hit junior year. So you're making it sound as if CCS promised you something and then didn't deliver. CCS is not trying to keep that a secret, it's explained very clearly anytime you speak with someone in the dept or look through the school catalog/website. And since you were only a freshman here, it's no surprise that you didn't see the amazing connection we have with the industry. As soon as you actually enter the trans major(junior year), it all opens up. Like xtr8r said, chris bangle just recently lectured here and I have pictures of myself with him as well. I've seen Shiro Nakamura (nissan global head) walk through our halls, and our whole class has presented to top Toyota execs. Syd Mead, Frank Stephenson and Alfa Romeo chief designer came to critique our class.
Let me say one more thing to make my feelings clear. I am NOT trying to start a ccs is better than art center type rant. I am simply replying to cardesign85's terrible experience here and trying to show that ccs DOES have a lot to offer. I myself may still be attending art center in the future, so obviously I don't have anything against them.
CCS Automotive Senior "Use no way as way, Have no limitation as limitation" - Bruce Lee "Take notes on the world, there will be a test" - Chris Bangle
Wow this is a hot topic! Seriously, I'm not trying to make a huge debate. I mean I just got accepted to Art Center, I haven't even gone yet. Yes, I had a bad experience at CCS. But I'm not saying it's a terrible school. If I hadn't sucked at first I would still be there. However, personally, I'm going to be a lot more happy at Art Center. Coming from picturesque Montana, I had a hard time enjoying the scenery of Detroit.(sorry) So for a high school student I would have to recommend Art Center. That's all. Good luck out there!
