No, you haven't been able to show me where I said following trends is "the most crucial aspect" of being a designer. You're seeing something that simply isn't there. Me saying that being able to notice trends, pick up on it, and then having the ability to turn aesthetic aspects of that trend into a cohesive automotive design vocabulary is one thing (and that's what I meant from the get-go), and saying that is absolutely the most crucial aspect of being a designer is another. I would also relate that ability to being able to come up with branded designs.
And the other thing about what Gilles said, it supports my beliefs one hundred percent. Notice he said it shouldn't be "OVERLY trendy". Are you gonna try to argue with me that many of the striking features of the 300c(small DLO'S, the side profile) aren't being lifted from recent trends in the automotive industry?? Yes, it can be considered a timeless design, but it also adopts modern aesthetic sensibilities. And it executed those modern aesthetic sensiblities better than other cars when it came out, which is why it's so noteworthy now. I've talked to the man (Gilles) a few times and that's basically what he said, also in some interviews I've read/watched. What really sold the car were the proportions and how they were able to finally implement it into a production car.
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CCS Automotive 2009 "Use no way as way, Have no limitation as limitation" - Bruce Lee "Take notes on the world, there will be a test" - Chris Bangle
stop taking other peoples' input as personal attacks. It's not very "helpful" towards generating a decent conversation.
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I dunno "what" your "talking" about here "man".
Sorry about that, I accidently mistook you for the same person that started the thread and together it seemed to be an overtly defensive response. So some of what I said was directed towards him, not at your first response.
CCS Automotive 2009 "Use no way as way, Have no limitation as limitation" - Bruce Lee "Take notes on the world, there will be a test" - Chris Bangle
Me saying that being able to notice trends, pick up on it, and then to turn aesthetic aspects of that trend into a design is one thing (and that's what I meant from the get-go)...trends are always changing and you have to be able to adapt quickly and be able to put those new aesthetics into an automotive form
I've cut out the meaningless space-filling words like vocabulary and coherent and what we're left with is the core of your meaning; youre saying lifting ideas from current work and incorporating them into your own is the basis of good design. I disagree. Of course ideas are mixed and transposed but pushing things forward is the idea. Thats all I'm saying.
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hey hey! once again a thread that starts out as a serious or honest question or theory on a relevent and acceptable topic is quickley and thoroghly disintegrated into a highly opinionated and narrow-minded argument between the know-it-alls-who-know-nothing, the know-a-bit-but-are-ignorant-of-their-own-ignorance and the know-enough-but-dont-know-when-to-not-jump-into-a-meaningless-debate type people.
Originally posted by Modsquad: Sorry about that, I accidently mistook you for the same person that started the thread and together it seemed to be an overtly defensive response. So some of what I said was directed towards him, not at your first response.
So you picking on me? What those things among what you said are directed to me?
You told me to rethink about entering into this career because I related the latest design trend with consumer's mental health. What is wrong with this? You better know what your consumers are thinking about how they are feeling if you want to make something for them and that is what I did and you didn't like it. I don't care any way.
"Vp? Of what?" I took this phrase from your previous reply very personally. It sounded like you wanted to teach me something. You can and you did, actually. I learned a lot about inside competition within your school thanks to you. Just be more courteous. If you are not courteous, you not gonna be able to work with others and will it get you landed in a big auto?
I still appreciated all those things you said. I learned a lot. If you don't wack at people like you did before, you would make a good person to talk about auto design. You are a student at covetted CCS and I am a wage earning mortgage processor at a so small mortgage store. I hope to talk a lot about car design with you and learn from you. Below is a drawing I did for you. Take it as a gift. Note that I didn't look at pictures but only did it out of memory.
I hope that we could all reconcile with each other and now I hope to resolve this crazy thread in a peaceful fashion.
My one tip , in deference to the earlier discussion, would be always have reams of absorbant reference material, its just necessary to checking proportions and doing a good jobby.
absorbant ref material - something as a substitute for toilet roll
good jobby - well I'll let you guess that one.
In think coming back to your original question/questions some companies will unfortunatley see you as too old to join the industry as a new starter, as they feel they can pay a younger guy less. Also there is a stigma that older guys wont produced new and exciting designs... I know that this should not be the case but it does happen in some Oems in Europe.
As for your work, you need to rapidly improve your level to be in with a chance - sounds harsh but Im being honest.
To get in to a studio, fresh from college as you will be. You have to have your finger on the pulse with design and whats hot and happening in the design colleges and world. You may think that angular head lights aren't to your liking, they may be though to your potential future boss. Design trends always go in circles, they'll be friendlier looking again but probably more defined. Its all well and true saying you can design what you think the customer wants, but as i've been taught. The customer never knows what they want till they see it, and is usually the case. Think seriously about this as the arguments your coming up against now, you'll get all the time. Sit down have a dump and think about it
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